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PostPosted: 2004-08-02 00:06:29
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creddish@(removespamblock)freegratis.net (Colin Reddish) wrote:

> There are no bundles for phone lines and cable modems on NTL. NTL cable
> modem costs are billed separately.

Telewest still has bundles, my 3 meg cable modem is Ł50 a month with
another service, Ł52.99 without, and you wont get that speed with ADSL.
The discount used to be a lot more.

> I find the quality of NTL broadband very patchy.

Telewest Blueyonder internet quality is excellent, at least provided you
dont use their email. Downtime is very rare, and usually announced.

> At least with ADSL there are a choice of providers.

Most of which are dependent upon BT Wholesale. I also have private ADSL
(not to the internet) and the reliability is much lower than my cable
modem.

> Can you clarify what the main changes were in July

You can check my web site:

http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/

While BT Together is not new, several million more people are on it since
1st July, and that is a major change.

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PostPosted: 2004-08-03 00:38:58
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Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote in
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Thanks for the additional info.

> Telewest still has bundles, my 3 meg cable modem is Ł50 a month with
> another service, Ł52.99 without, and you wont get that speed with ADSL.
> The discount used to be a lot more.

Of course, I should have remembered that, as my brother uses Telewest
broadband. 3 Meg!! Wow.

> > I find the quality of NTL broadband very patchy.
>
> Telewest Blueyonder internet quality is excellent, at least provided you
> dont use their email. Downtime is very rare, and usually announced.

Better than NTL then. Unfortunately the availability of NTL and Telewest are
mutually exclusive.

> > At least with ADSL there are a choice of providers.

> Most of which are dependent upon BT Wholesale.

Does that mean technical quality of the services will all be the same, or do
the individual providers have control over some elements of bandwidth
allocation and other performance factors? I obviously need to learn more
about ADSL before jumping the NTL ship. Is this the best newsgroup for ADSL
discussion? I recall vaguely that there was discussion in here a year or so
ago about forming a new group specifically for ADSL. Did this happen? I
cant find any ADSL specific groups on the NTL news server (maybe they dont
welcome it :-) ) .
>
> > Can you clarify what the main changes were in July
>
> You can check my web site:
>
> http://www.magsys.co.uk/telecom/

OH!!! I didnt realise I was receiving comment from the authority on this
topic :-) .
I refer to your site often (but obviously dont read it thoroughly enough).
It was one of the first entries to my favourites list when I first used the
internet.

I usually go there to look at particular Tables and have neglected the
Whats New pages. I have just briefly corrected that omission but
reasonably the Whats New articles only go back to Aug 2003, so dont cover
June 2003 when I assume it was when BT introduced the 3p/1p/1p rates on the
Together packages. Can you confirm this?

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PostPosted: 2004-08-03 01:08:25
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Colin Reddish wrote in
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> Does that mean technical quality of the services will all be the
> same, or do the individual providers have control over some elements
> of bandwidth allocation and other performance factors?

Which ADSL ISP you choose makes a lot of difference.

All ISPs run their own servers and the external bandwidth/peering
arrangements are all different.

Also, ISPs can use a variety of ways to get the IP traffic from a telephone
exchange to themselves.

As such, you may want to google for the terms:

IPStream
DataStream
Local Loop Unbundling (LLU)

Each offers the ISP a different degree of control over their product range

>I obviously
> need to learn more about ADSL before jumping the NTL ship. Is this
> the best newsgroup for ADSL discussion? I recall vaguely that there
> was discussion in here a year or so ago about forming a new group
> specifically for ADSL. Did this happen? I cant find any ADSL
> specific groups on the NTL news server (maybe they dont welcome it
> :-) ) .

Yes - uk.telecom.broadband

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/ is also worth looking at.

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Sunil


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PostPosted: 2004-08-03 20:50:50
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Many thanks for the information and your recommendations for further
reading. I will follow up your suggestions.
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