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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-01 23:49:37
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Friends of mine went on holiday from the UK to Paris in January.

When their BT bill arrived recently, it included two 0845 calls costing
approx. Ł10 in total plus VAT, allegedly made whilst they were out of the
country. They are an elderly, childless, married couple whose house was left
locked and burglar alarmed during their absence abroad. Nobody else has
legitimate access and no burglary has occurred. The phone inside the house
and not in an outhouse, etc.

BTs call centre which theyve rung several times (India of course - they
could barely understand some of the operators!) says this could not happen
and that someone must have used their phone in their absence, by some means
or other.

How are phantom calls of this kind created and whats to be done?

Advice appreciated.


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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-02 00:07:02
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Paul Clarke wrote:
> Friends of mine went on holiday from the UK to Paris in January.
>
> When their BT bill arrived recently, it included two 0845 calls
> costing approx. Ł10 in total plus VAT, allegedly made whilst they
> were out of the country. They are an elderly, childless, married
> couple whose house was left locked and burglar alarmed during their
> absence abroad. Nobody else has legitimate access and no burglary
> has occurred. The phone inside the house and not in an outhouse,
> etc.
> BTs call centre which theyve rung several times (India of course
> - they could barely understand some of the operators!) says this
> could not happen and that someone must have used their phone in
> their absence, by some means or other.
>
> How are phantom calls of this kind created and whats to be done?
>
> Advice appreciated.

You may be suprised how easy it is for your phone line to get
unauthorized usage, especially with all the contractors working on the
network. Tell them to keep on complaining & put it in writing as
Openreach have a very poor view of such things happening, at the very
least they should get their money back & quite possibly they may just
some brainless drongo his cards.

There is absolutely no reason for such thngs to happen as most PCPs
have a line & the number of lines available in an exchange available
for private calls is not small.


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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-02 00:42:55
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kraftee wrote in message
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> Paul Clarke wrote:
>> Friends of mine went on holiday from the UK to Paris in January.
>>
>> When their BT bill arrived recently, it included two 0845 calls
>> costing approx. Ł10 in total plus VAT, allegedly made whilst they
>> were out of the country. They are an elderly, childless, married
>> couple whose house was left locked and burglar alarmed during their
>> absence abroad. Nobody else has legitimate access and no burglary
>> has occurred. The phone inside the house and not in an outhouse,
>> etc.
>> BTs call centre which theyve rung several times (India of course
>> - they could barely understand some of the operators!) says this
>> could not happen and that someone must have used their phone in
>> their absence, by some means or other.
>>
>> How are phantom calls of this kind created and whats to be done?
>>
>> Advice appreciated.
>
> You may be suprised how easy it is for your phone line to get unauthorized
> usage, especially with all the contractors working on the network. Tell
> them to keep on complaining & put it in writing as Openreach have a very
> poor view of such things happening, at the very least they should get
> their money back & quite possibly they may just some brainless drongo his
> cards.
>
> There is absolutely no reason for such thngs to happen as most PCPs have a
> line & the number of lines available in an exchange available for private
> calls is not small.
>

Very many thanks. Most helpful. Just thinking, could it be someone who has a
cordless phone on the same frequency or channel as my friends cordless?


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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-01 23:49:57
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Paul Clarke writes:
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> Very many thanks. Most helpful. Just thinking, could it be someone who has a
> cordless phone on the same frequency or channel as my friends cordless?

If its an old analogue cordless, then most definately.
Unlikely for a DECT cordless.

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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-01 16:51:52
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Paul Clarke wrote:
> Friends of mine went on holiday from the UK to Paris in January.
>
> When their BT bill arrived recently, it included two 0845 calls costing
> approx. Ł10 in total plus VAT, allegedly made whilst they were out of th=
e
> country. They are an elderly, childless, married couple whose house was le=
ft
> locked and burglar alarmed during their absence abroad. Nobody else has
> legitimate access and no burglary has occurred. The phone inside the house=

> and not in an outhouse, etc.
>
> BTs call centre which theyve rung several times (India of course - they
> could barely understand some of the operators!) says this could not happen=

> and that someone must have used their phone in their absence, by some mean=
s
> or other.
>
> How are phantom calls of this kind created and whats to be done?

Your friends may find the simplest course of action to fill in the
form at http://www2.bt.com/beta/apps/billingdisputeweb/callcharges/DisputeCa=
tList.do

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Sunil


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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-02 06:29:26
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Paul Clarke wrote in message
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> Friends of mine went on holiday from the UK to Paris in January.
>
> When their BT bill arrived recently, it included two 0845 calls costing
> approx. Ł10 in total plus VAT, allegedly made whilst they were out of the
> country. They are an elderly, childless, married couple whose house was
> left locked and burglar alarmed during their absence abroad. Nobody else
> has legitimate access and no burglary has occurred. The phone inside the
> house and not in an outhouse, etc.
>
> BTs call centre which theyve rung several times (India of course - they
> could barely understand some of the operators!) says this could not happen
> and that someone must have used their phone in their absence, by some
> means or other.
>
> How are phantom calls of this kind created and whats to be done?
>
> Advice appreciated.
>

So what were the two 0845 numbers?


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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-02 08:09:38
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On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:49:37 +0100, Paul Clarke
wrote:

>Friends of mine went on holiday from the UK to Paris in January.
>
>When their BT bill arrived recently, it included two 0845 calls costing
>approx. Ł10 in total plus VAT, allegedly made whilst they were out of the
>country.

Not disputing this, but Ł10 on 2 x 0845 calls must have been pretty
long duration.

What were the numbers and durations?
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 Post subject: Phantom calls on BT bill
PostPosted: 2008-04-02 11:06:54
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David Quinton wrote in
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> Not disputing this, but Ł10 on 2 x 0845 calls must have been pretty
> long duration.

I was thinking just that, then I thought of PAYG internet and imagined
someone sat in a car with a laptop and a lead running to a DP...

John


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