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PostPosted: 2008-02-27 23:26:57
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Just received my V4+ dialler today, and I have a couple of queries.

1. In the downloadable Quick start user guide it says that you need one
dialler per phone, and that it only works for phones plugged *directly* into
one of its two sockets.

I had planned to have a lot of extension sockets daisy-chained off one of
its sockets, with (potentially) a phone plugged into each extension socket
(but only one phone in use at a time).

How can it possibly tell the difference?

2. Is there any way in which you can determine its status by dialling into
it from a phone handset? [I presume not, since it would need a speech
generator, or somesuch, in order to tell you - and I assume it doesnt have
one].
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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 07:20:09
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:26:57 UTC, Roger Mills
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> Just received my V4+ dialler today, and I have a couple of queries.
>
> 1. In the downloadable Quick start user guide it says that you need one
> dialler per phone, and that it only works for phones plugged *directly* into
> one of its two sockets.
>

Not true. I had mine essentially straight off the NTE and only used
one of the sockets. Thence into a Fax friend and from there to the PC
for faxes and a wired phone and a DECT base. No problems with any of
them going through the correct path.

> I had planned to have a lot of extension sockets daisy-chained off one of
> its sockets, with (potentially) a phone plugged into each extension socket
> (but only one phone in use at a time).
>
> How can it possibly tell the difference?
>

It cant - See above.

> 2. Is there any way in which you can determine its status by dialling into
> it from a phone handset? [I presume not, since it would need a speech
> generator, or somesuch, in order to tell you - and I assume it doesnt have
> one].

Sort of. It is possible to program it and read out settings using very
long and convoluted dial strings. Far easier to use the Win
application and let it call home.

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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 08:06:38
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Dave Saville wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:26:57 UTC, Roger Mills
> wrote:
>
>> Just received my V4+ dialler today, and I have a couple of queries.
>>
>> 1. In the downloadable Quick start user guide it says that you need one
>> dialler per phone, and that it only works for phones plugged *directly* into

>> one of its two sockets.
>>
>
> Not true. I had mine essentially straight off the NTE and only used
> one of the sockets. Thence into a Fax friend and from there to the PC
> for faxes and a wired phone and a DECT base. No problems with any of
> them going through the correct path.
>
>> I had planned to have a lot of extension sockets daisy-chained off one of
>> its sockets, with (potentially) a phone plugged into each extension socket
>> (but only one phone in use at a time).

Thats exactly my situation - I have the dialler interposed between the
master socket and a BT-type plug which runs off round the house to 4
phone sockets.

Althought having said that, these days I have one fixed line phone and
three DECTs - so I suppose that counts as only two phones plugged in?

Im wondering why the instructions make this stipulation about one phone
per dialler? Maybe certain scenarios can give problems and/or it makes
life easier for tech support if there are issues with the dialler?

David


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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 09:13:16
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Roger Mills wrote:
> Just received my V4+ dialler today, and I have a couple of queries.
>
> 1. In the downloadable Quick start user guide it says that you
> need one dialler per phone, and that it only works for phones plugged
> *directly* into one of its two sockets.
>
> I had planned to have a lot of extension sockets daisy-chained off
> one of its sockets, with (potentially) a phone plugged into each
> extension socket (but only one phone in use at a time).
>
> How can it possibly tell the difference?

It cant. Theyre just trying to say that any phone *not* plugged into *or
going through* the box will not be able to use its routing facilities. We
have a DECT base station plugged into the V4+ and 4 DECT handsets around the
house so, because the base is plugged into the V4+, all four handsets go
through the dialler.

However, because DECT phones dont work if theres a power cut, we also have
a standard corded phone plugged into a standard extension socket in the
bedroom (as well as a DECT handset) in case of emergencies, and that doesnt
go through the V4+, being wired directly as an extension off the master
socket. What youre planning to do should be no problem at all.

> 2. Is there any way in which you can determine its status by dialling
> into it from a phone handset? [I presume not, since it would need a
> speech generator, or somesuch, in order to tell you - and I assume it
> doesnt have one].

Theres no way that I know of (doesnt mean that there definitely isnt,
mind) other than, if like me, you intend to use 18185 and/or Primus or
whatever, making a call and then later on, looking at your online billing
with whatever company. I know that (ordinary) daytime calls are routed
through 18185 so if I make a call at say, 10am, Ill leave it an hour or two
and then it should show up in the online billing. If not, its not working.

John


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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 10:39:07
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
John wrote:

> Roger Mills wrote:
>>
>> I had planned to have a lot of extension sockets daisy-chained off
>> one of its sockets, with (potentially) a phone plugged into each
>> extension socket (but only one phone in use at a time).
>>
>> How can it possibly tell the difference?
>
> It cant. Theyre just trying to say that any phone *not* plugged
> into *or going through* the box will not be able to use its routing
> facilities. We have a DECT base station plugged into the V4+ and 4
> DECT handsets around the house so, because the base is plugged into
> the V4+, all four handsets go through the dialler.
>

Many thanks for this - and all the other replies. Its comforting to know
that what Im planning should work ok - particularly since prior to the
arrival of the dialler I had already de-kroned the extension wiring from the
back of the faceplate and brought it out to a plug to make it possible to
insert the dialler.
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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 11:15:43
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Roger Mills wrote:
> In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
> John wrote:
>
>> Roger Mills wrote:
>>>
>>> I had planned to have a lot of extension sockets daisy-chained off
>>> one of its sockets, with (potentially) a phone plugged into each
>>> extension socket (but only one phone in use at a time).
>>>
>>> How can it possibly tell the difference?
>>
>> It cant. Theyre just trying to say that any phone *not* plugged
>> into *or going through* the box will not be able to use its routing
>> facilities. We have a DECT base station plugged into the V4+ and 4
>> DECT handsets around the house so, because the base is plugged into
>> the V4+, all four handsets go through the dialler.
>>
>
> Many thanks for this - and all the other replies. Its comforting to
> know that what Im planning should work ok - particularly since prior
> to the arrival of the dialler I had already de-kroned the extension
> wiring from the back of the faceplate and brought it out to a plug to
> make it possible to insert the dialler.

Youre very welcome, sir :o)

John


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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 12:24:30
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:26:57 -0000, Roger Mills
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>Just received my V4+ dialler today, and I have a couple of queries.
>
>1. In the downloadable Quick start user guide it says that you need one
>dialler per phone, and that it only works for phones plugged *directly* into
>one of its two sockets.
>
I have a very old line powered one, and the ring signal is a bit weak
for several phones. Inserting another primary socket between the 5
phones and the Orchid was a quick and dirty fix.

Take the dog out before you email me

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PostPosted: 2008-02-28 14:05:26
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> I have a very old line powered one, and the ring signal is a bit weak
> for several phones. Inserting another primary socket between the 5
> phones and the Orchid was a quick and dirty fix.

I suppose this is the only potential problem with the Orchid that having
more than a coule of phones plugged in may make the ring signal more anemic.
Another thing I have noticed is the dial tone can be a bit quiet before
dialling as the dialler is waiting for the DTMF tones to determine the rule
it needs to follow.

It can be programmed via a phone to address your other point but really you
are much better off using CWClient.

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