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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 14:35:31
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A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by overhead
cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently belongs to the
electricity supply company has deteriorated and needs to be replace. My
friend want to lay the electricity supply in the ground to his house from
the post in the road. Presumably the electricity company will want to remove
the post. Do BT have some sort of duty to reroute the connection to his
house directly? What is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable?
Its about 60 metres from the pole in the street to his house


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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 14:57:26
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jasee wrote:
> A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by
> overhead cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently
> belongs to the electricity supply company has deteriorated and needs
> to be replace. My friend want to lay the electricity supply in the
> ground to his house from the post in the road. Presumably the
> electricity company will want to remove the post. Do BT have some
> sort of duty to reroute the connection to his house directly? What is
> the maximum unsupported length for a single cable? Its about 60
> metres from the pole in the street to his house

BT will expect to be paid for the work involved.

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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 16:20:35
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:35:31 -0000, jasee
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>A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by overhead
>cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently belongs to the
>electricity supply company has deteriorated and needs to be replace. My
>friend want to lay the electricity supply in the ground to his house from
>the post in the road. Presumably the electricity company will want to remove
>the post. Do BT have some sort of duty to reroute the connection to his
>house directly? What is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable?
>Its about 60 metres from the pole in the street to his house
>
>
It will depend on what the terms of the contract between the leccy
company (who apparently own the pole) and BT, who are using it to
provide sertvice to your friend, says.
if the leccy board are happy to remove to pole and supply your friend
via a U/G feed, then BT may have to provide a pole of their own, or a
number of poles (I think that may be calle a running DP) to give your
friend service. As it wiill be the leccy board that will be removing
the pole I find it difficult to see how BT could charge him for any
work needed.
Someone will be along in a moment to correct any errors above :-)
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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 18:43:11
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PeterT wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:35:31 -0000, jasee
> wrote:
>
>> A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by
>> overhead cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently
>> belongs to the electricity supply company has deteriorated and needs
>> to be replace. My friend want to lay the electricity supply in the
>> ground to his house from the post in the road. Presumably the
>> electricity company will want to remove the post. Do BT have some
>> sort of duty to reroute the connection to his house directly? What
>> is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable? Its about 60
>> metres from the pole in the street to his house
>>
>>
> It will depend on what the terms of the contract between the leccy
> company (who apparently own the pole) and BT, who are using it to
> provide sertvice to your friend, says.
> if the leccy board are happy to remove to pole and supply your friend
> via a U/G feed, then BT may have to provide a pole of their own, or a
> number of poles (I think that may be calle a running DP) to give your
> friend service. As it wiill be the leccy board that will be removing
> the pole I find it difficult to see how BT could charge him for any
> work needed.
> Someone will be along in a moment to correct any errors above :-)

The OPs friend will have to pay the electricity distribution company a sum
into four figures to change the supply to underground at his request. BT
will simply say that the cable is being moved at his request and expect to
be paid to do so. Do you expect to do work for nothing?

Peter Crosland


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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 18:52:38
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On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:43:11 -0000, Peter Crosland
wrote:

>PeterT wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:35:31 -0000, jasee
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by
>>> overhead cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently
>>> belongs to the electricity supply company has deteriorated and needs
>>> to be replace. My friend want to lay the electricity supply in the
>>> ground to his house from the post in the road. Presumably the
>>> electricity company will want to remove the post. Do BT have some
>>> sort of duty to reroute the connection to his house directly? What
>>> is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable? Its about 60
>>> metres from the pole in the street to his house
>>>
>>>
>> It will depend on what the terms of the contract between the leccy
>> company (who apparently own the pole) and BT, who are using it to
>> provide sertvice to your friend, says.
>> if the leccy board are happy to remove to pole and supply your friend
>> via a U/G feed, then BT may have to provide a pole of their own, or a
>> number of poles (I think that may be calle a running DP) to give your
>> friend service. As it wiill be the leccy board that will be removing
>> the pole I find it difficult to see how BT could charge him for any
>> work needed.
>> Someone will be along in a moment to correct any errors above :-)
>
>The OPs friend will have to pay the electricity distribution company a sum
>into four figures to change the supply to underground at his request. BT
>will simply say that the cable is being moved at his request and expect to
>be paid to do so. Do you expect to do work for nothing?
>
>Peter Crosland
>

The leccy company may well charge the OPs friend for providing an U/G
feed (but hopefully less the cost of installing a new pole). BT will
have a contract with the leccy company for the shared use of its pole,
not with the OPs pal - I dont see that the OPs friend has any
liability to BT re the pole - although i could be wrong!
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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 19:09:35
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In message , Peter Crosland wrote:

> PeterT wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:35:31 -0000, jasee
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by
>>> overhead cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently
>>> belongs to the electricity supply company has deteriorated and needs
>>> to be replace. My friend want to lay the electricity supply in the
>>> ground to his house from the post in the road. Presumably the
>>> electricity company will want to remove the post. Do BT have some
>>> sort of duty to reroute the connection to his house directly? What
>>> is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable? Its about 60
>>> metres from the pole in the street to his house
>>>
>>>
>> It will depend on what the terms of the contract between the leccy
>> company (who apparently own the pole) and BT, who are using it to
>> provide sertvice to your friend, says.
>> if the leccy board are happy to remove to pole and supply your friend
>> via a U/G feed, then BT may have to provide a pole of their own, or a
>> number of poles (I think that may be calle a running DP) to give your
>> friend service. As it wiill be the leccy board that will be removing
>> the pole I find it difficult to see how BT could charge him for any
>> work needed.
>> Someone will be along in a moment to correct any errors above :-)
>
> The OPs friend will have to pay the electricity distribution company a
> sum into four figures to change the supply to underground at his request.
> BT will simply say that the cable is being moved at his request and expect
> to be paid to do so. Do you expect to do work for nothing?
>
That depends on the relative costs of replacing the pole and putting the
cable underground, especially if he digs the trench on his land so they
only need to come and put the cables in. Then it becomes an Its cheaper
for us to dispense with the pole under the circumstances which isnt
obviously his request.
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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 19:59:36
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PeterT wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:43:11 -0000, Peter Crosland
> wrote:
>
>> PeterT wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:35:31 -0000, jasee
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by
>>>> overhead cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently
>>>> belongs to the electricity supply company has deteriorated and
>>>> needs to be replace. My friend want to lay the electricity supply
>>>> in the ground to his house from the post in the road. Presumably
>>>> the electricity company will want to remove the post. Do BT have
>>>> some sort of duty to reroute the connection to his house directly?
>>>> What is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable? Its
>>>> about 60 metres from the pole in the street to his house
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It will depend on what the terms of the contract between the leccy
>>> company (who apparently own the pole) and BT, who are using it to
>>> provide sertvice to your friend, says.
>>> if the leccy board are happy to remove to pole and supply your
>>> friend via a U/G feed, then BT may have to provide a pole of their
>>> own, or a number of poles (I think that may be calle a running DP)
>>> to give your friend service. As it wiill be the leccy board that
>>> will be removing the pole I find it difficult to see how BT could
>>> charge him for any work needed.
>>> Someone will be along in a moment to correct any errors above :-)
>>
>> The OPs friend will have to pay the electricity distribution
>> company a sum into four figures to change the supply to underground
>> at his request. BT will simply say that the cable is being moved at
>> his request and expect to be paid to do so. Do you expect to do work
>> for nothing?
>>
>> Peter Crosland
>>
>
> The leccy company may well charge the OPs friend for providing an U/G
> feed (but hopefully less the cost of installing a new pole). BT will
> have a contract with the leccy company for the shared use of its pole,
> not with the OPs pal - I dont see that the OPs friend has any
> liability to BT re the pole - although i could be wrong!

Assuming the pole belongs to the electricity distribution company any
replacement because of age will be at their expense. Underground cabling is
considerably more expensive than overhead. Even if the trench is dug by the
customer or their contractor it will still cost more not to mention that the
cost of the removing the old pole an cabling will get included in the price
for the work. BT will only have to do the work because the customer wants it
done. BT may have rights to attach cables to the pole but they would still
have to make changes and it is quite reasonable that they should be paid to
do so. Or is that too difficult for you to grasp?

Peter Crosland


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PostPosted: 2008-01-13 20:00:42
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Dave {Reply Address in.Sig} wrote:
> In message , Peter Crosland wrote:
>
>> PeterT wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:35:31 -0000, jasee
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A friend is supplied his electricity supply and telephone line by
>>>> overhead cable to a post on his land. The post which apparently
>>>> belongs to the electricity supply company has deteriorated and
>>>> needs to be replace. My friend want to lay the electricity supply
>>>> in the ground to his house from the post in the road. Presumably
>>>> the electricity company will want to remove the post. Do BT have
>>>> some sort of duty to reroute the connection to his house directly?
>>>> What is the maximum unsupported length for a single cable? Its
>>>> about 60 metres from the pole in the street to his house
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It will depend on what the terms of the contract between the leccy
>>> company (who apparently own the pole) and BT, who are using it to
>>> provide sertvice to your friend, says.
>>> if the leccy board are happy to remove to pole and supply your
>>> friend via a U/G feed, then BT may have to provide a pole of their
>>> own, or a number of poles (I think that may be calle a running DP)
>>> to give your friend service. As it wiill be the leccy board that
>>> will be removing the pole I find it difficult to see how BT could
>>> charge him for any work needed.
>>> Someone will be along in a moment to correct any errors above :-)
>>
>> The OPs friend will have to pay the electricity distribution
>> company a sum into four figures to change the supply to underground
>> at his request.

It was actually the electricity company who decided the pole needed
replacing. Obviously my friend expects to pay for digging the trench up his
drive. Ive done this myself a few years ago for a new supply. Then I
collected a pipe from the electricity company, I laid it and they then put
their cable through it and connected it up.

BT will simply say that the cable is being moved at
>> his request and expect to be paid to do so. Do you expect to do work
>> for nothing?

See above

>>
> That depends on the relative costs of replacing the pole and putting
> the cable underground, especially if he digs the trench on his land
> so they only need to come and put the cables in. Then it becomes an
> Its cheaper for us to dispense with the pole under the
> circumstances which isnt obviously his request.

Why cant the telephone wire connect directly to the house? Thats why Im
asking about maximum line length. I really dont think it should run
anywhere near the power cable in the trench: thats a recipe for disaster
IMO where ADSL is concerned..


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